More To God
9 June, 2002
Author: Seizure
I've lived the best I can, how much longer will I last?
I've heard all the stories, that is all the past
I don't think god cares, if he's even there
Just why would he damn, people to dispair?
Why should I have love, for an ancient story?
My life's full of pain, you say that's his glory
You're right he's so cool! I love my depression!
Why do you all hate me? It's MY faith in question
If you choose to hate me, then just be my guest
I don't believe in God, so give it a rest
That makes me evil, and worthy of hate
For many Christians, they just know my fate
I'm not talking shit, to those that follow God
Only to the ones, that say I am odd
And going to Hell, cause I don't believe
Yeah that sounds so likely, maybe you should leave
You don't realize, Catholics created Hell
And the devil Satan, that you know so well
The original drafting, of the Holy Bible
Didn't mention either, it was far more tribal
It just mentioned Hades, for the wicked to go
But to maintain control, the church seemed to know
To make up a devil, to force their belief
In my opinion, religion causes grief
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Comments on this poem/writing:
| Luc () -- Sunday, June 23 2002, 05:49 am i strongly agree. catholics did in fact created a hell to scare poeple so they could go to them. they collect the money to give to the poor ha! just look at the god damn church how do you think they got the money. the government? lol anyways. yes im catholic dont get me wrong i just question the church too god damn much. crazy eh? love your poems ^^ and keep on writing. |
| Seizure () -- Tuesday, June 25 2002, 05:55 am Actually I am totally amazed anyone really even read this poem! Believe it or not I get far more hatred than praise for this type of writing simply because I am voicing my beliefs. Many feel I'm evil and trying to spark negative emotions in everyone. This isn't the case. Like I said, it's just the way I think and people cursing my name and turning their back to me and wishing me to hell isn't going to change that. Infact it only degrades my faith in humanity and religion more. I would point out, however, that statistically speaking, 87% of ALL theological professors are atheists. Just an interesting fact many don't realize. |
| Leslie () -- Friday, August 9 2002, 05:59 pm Greetings! I want to make some comments on your poem. I will go line by line 1- how long will you last? It's up to you. God promises eternity but it is all by faith. 2-One must believe. God loves you and that is no matter what you have done. 3-God doesn't dam people they chose what they want to believe and follow. Choice 4 If you like myself would learn to know the maker of Heaven and Earth by reading the Bible with an open mind with desire to know Jesus, God will show you that ancient Book is the way to life, peace and joy besides having a personal relationship with Him. He fulfills the hunger in your heart that all people have until they ask Jesus to come in their heart. It is all by faith acceptance. 5 it is in no way God's glory for you to have pain. There is a real devil. There is good and bad. 6 Your faith is in the in the wrong direction and that is why you are full of pain. 7 God never hates anyone, that is why God says He gave His only begotten Son because He loves all including you..Jesus love YOU no matter what you say. 8 Those who believe in Him have rest otherwise there is no rest. Yo 9 God understands you and doesn't say, you are evil and worthy of hate. We all are sinners but saved by His grace. 10 Your are not odd. Odd is different and there are so many that believe like you so you are not alone. I pray you will not go to hell and you will want to know the Lord Jesus who died for you and if there was no one in this world but you, Jesus would die for you to save you from the wicked one who loves how you talk and pass it on to others. He gloats because you can influence followers for him. 11I am not in religion I and all the Born Again believers are Gods children born in the Spirit. We are born in the flesh and then the time comes when we invite Jesus in our heart and we become a new person and you are in the church of God. Big difference. One becomes a follower of Christ Jesus. We read the Bible and follow His ways not the world. I am happier and have peace since I did that. I left money fame and what have you and wouldn't go back to my old life for anything. 12 There are more wars and difficulties from the so called religions than God ever intended. That is man stuff. Many churches tell you what to do and how. Christ says if you love me obey Me. If that would happen we would have peace and a joy for all. Your opinion is because you don't know the Lord. And finally, All it is required of us is a prayer telling Jesus to come into your heart and confessing you are a sinner and because of Jesus you can be washed in His blood and be saved. All in faith. Like you turn on the light switch believing it will turn on. you don't ponder, will this light go on, how does it work and so on you just turn the switch by faith. A lot of comment but I sure pray for you and ask God to bless you and open your eyes to see the truth. I thought just like you. So did my son but in the end he believed and I am forever thankful He was 18 when he died but I will be with him forever. God Bless you and Jesus loves you so much. Lezlie Labadie |
| barb (216.129.37.250) -- Sunday, August 11 2002, 04:26 pm I didn't know you were bitter. the way I think is God has protected me through my childhood and life there are people that are worse off than us you disappointed me. |
| Seizure (68.154.29.46) -- Sunday, August 11 2002, 06:29 pm Okay, I will just say it like this. My poems are written from self experience and believe it or not, fighting with my faith took a LONG time to do. I was more confused than anything else when I was a Catholic, and now that I'm Atheist, I can actually see clearly. It's not something I just woke up one day and said, "I think I'm gonna be an atheist today. Yeah, let's get the evil eyes and be judged by so many christians that I will end up losing count just because I don't believe the same way they do." I think it's sad that you people can't let someone believe in what they want. I do NOT badmouth you people for your beliefs, why should you try to preach to me? I have heard it every single day. My own mother turned her back to me because I'm an Atheist! What makes you think I give a damn if you people approve of me or not? And Leslie, don't tell me I don't know the Lord. You don't know the Lord, you have never met him; you just have your preconceived notion. It has been PROVEN that there was never any mention of Hell or Satan in the original drafting of the bible, PERIOD! You can argue all you want, look it up. The Catholics added that when they were losing control of the general public as a means to scare them back into obedience. PROVEN. Take any Theological class and you will have it all laid out for you with stats, artifacts, and all the scientific proof you could ever need. I suppose you can judge me if you want, so many others do. But I refuse to fear something just because someone tells me I'm supposed to. |
| Seizure (68.154.29.46) -- Sunday, August 11 2002, 06:33 pm If me being Atheist disappoints you this much, than I don't even want your friendship. I am the way I am, nothing will change that. I'm tired of bending over backwards to please everyone. I'm not saying you are wrong for what you think, and I'm not going to say I'm disappointed in you; I'm actually proud individuals like you hold on to your faith and believe in what you will regardless of what anyone else says. I respect you for it, but I guess it's too much to show me the same respect. |
| Dreamer (68.101.29.224) -- Monday, August 12 2002, 04:36 am I am surpried the poem stirred up such a hornets nest of feelings. I guess that just shows it is a good poem. Though attacks on ones beliefs and feelings is not necessary. A persons belief system is his own not for someone to rate a persons worth or lack of. This is not a place to try and recruit Christians to the faith. It is a place to share poetry. It is okay to not like a poem but please lets not let this become a judgement of the writer or commentors on their thoughts and beliefs. For each persons view is just as valid to themselves as your's is to you. (whoever you may be) Guess it just shows the old saying "Judge not lest ye be judged".. hmmm |
| barb (216.129.37.250) -- Tuesday, August 13 2002, 02:50 pm I'm sorry you have your own believes and you're entitled to them. I just feel bad when it sounds like people are angry at what has happened to them and blame everything on others. |
| Barb (216.129.37.250) -- Tuesday, August 13 2002, 05:51 pm seizure my memory sucks so I was thinking why I was disappointed so I rea your poem again and I wasn't disappointed because you are athiest it was because I read bitterness. Couldn't figure out why I was so judgemental when thats not me. It was the bitterness I was disappointed in. Keep writing your feelings they are good and it's good therapy.I should know I need alot of therapy.Haaaaa |
| Seizure (67.34.128.54) -- Monday, August 19 2002, 01:09 am I don't see where I am claiming anyone at fault for the life I've led. I used my misfortunes as proof to myself about the belief path I chose. This poem was just outlining that very belief. If you read many of my other material, you will notice a LOT of bitterness. It's because I have turned into a negative person over the years. I write either depressing or angry material. All negative emotions. I can't tell you the last time I wrote something truly positive. I did that back in the day, but I feel that day will never come again. SZ |
| barb (216.129.37.250) -- Wednesday, August 21 2002, 12:34 am I don't know what to say except try to think positive thoughts. it's hard I know but never let negativity win.Sometimes I feel like giving up then i realise that's giving up. I'm a stubborn broad.Ha Ha |
| David (198.246.4.68) -- Monday, September 23 2002, 05:14 pm Religion is an evil thing that binds us to a set of laws we can never uphold. But christianity pure and true has nothing to do with big catholic churches. Christ was a fullfulment of the law that no man could bear. in him we find the spirit of the law. Christ never passed a collection plate, never damned anyone. only reached out and tried to love. I belive a church can be the biggest obsticle to true faith. embrace Christ and nothing else maters. He was never catholic, or any thing else. He WAS God He IS God and He always WILL BE GOD. Hell may have never be mentioned anywhere but a second death was. a death of the spirit. That |
| Seizure (68.154.2.211) -- Tuesday, September 24 2002, 11:45 pm You will notice I was not badmouthing your "pure" christians. I was badmouthing the PEOPLE that have to judge me for thinking the way I do. It was about my belief in the existing systems, etc. Read more into it before lecture. Give your sermon all you want about Jesus... but I will point out you are the only one I have ever heard from that actually thinks Jesus was God. Interesting point of view... I'll give you that. |
| Stacey (68.82.127.64) -- Saturday, October 12 2002, 08:57 pm i have noticed that a lot of these comments are judgemental. I was under the impression that it is considered a "sin" to judge. I'm wondering why there are so many hypocritical "Christians" in this world. As far as the "lecturing" goes...Maybe people should worry about following their own beliefs a little closer, before they worry about someone else's beliefs. Seizure... I want to tell you that i admire your self expression. Your poems make people "think" and hopefully will help some people to be more openminded. Keep writing... I definitely enjoy reading. ~Stacey |
| Seizure (67.34.133.7) -- Sunday, October 13 2002, 11:37 am I appreciate the support there :). |
| LinzAy (209.240.198.62) -- Thursday, October 17 2002, 05:22 am I don't think i could have said it any better myself Stacey, in fact i know i couldnt have. I thought so much while reading all the comments...and all thoughts lead to what you wrote. It teaches not to judge in the Book yet so many people do. It teaches to leave the judging to God yet so many people try to take over that responsibility. I myself believe in the good Lord but i have respect for those who dont simply because that's their choice and the way they choose to live. Which is how those who don't believe probably feel too. |
| Leah (24.171.82.143) -- Thursday, October 17 2002, 05:48 am First of all, I love your writting. I love the fact, that your writting has a meaning to the story. Not so much that your writting is sad, but that it leaves me breathless, and the thought that you're a excellent writer. You did however affend me, when you expressed your feeling toward God. But religion, is something you have to find for yourself, and I respect what you believe in. I am not a Catholic myself, but I attend a catholic school, and amazingly I came across your poems, while I was trying to write about grace in the Catholic point of view. At first, I don't think I believed in God at all, I had experienced nothing from him, and all I knew was that he was something I had heard from my parents. But something happened one day, that sealed my faith in him, and it has kept me strong since. I love God, because he first loved me, and what that means to you is your opponion. I am afraid you will never even see my reponse, since it is at the bottom of the list, but I will pray you do! I have just one request of you, will you please, please, write me something about forgiveness. Forgiveness is something I love to read about, and everyone has experienced it one way or another, but to read about it through the eyes of a talented writter would be an honor. I hope I have not affended you in any way, and that you would write me a response to what you have to say! |
| Seizure (67.33.103.145) -- Friday, October 18 2002, 10:53 am You're right LinZay. I respect everyone's beliefs. It's only when they tell me I'm wrong for what I believe that I get a problem with THEM (not the faith). For Leah, I'm sorry you were offended for what you thought was my feelings toward God. But I just want to clear up that I am not "really" badmouthing God in this poem. The main point of it is to try and make judgemental people realize how stupid they act when they do that and to further express the actual reason "why" I don't believe in God. The point is not to invoke hatred, anger, or animosity toward god. I'm glad faith in God has kept you strong. I feel strongly you should continue your ideology of him if it helps you in any way. You can tell from this reply that I did, infact find your message :). As for your request for a poem on "Forgiveness," I think it would be an interesting challenge to take up. But are you talking about forgiveness in general, or are you talking about an example of forgiveness? It would be easy for me to pull a quick example and slap it into a poem, but in general, it would be more abstract and thus, not really my writing style. Either way it would be something I would be interested in trying out though. (side note, if i have several typos, forgive me, it's almost 6am and i haven't slept in 3 days now) |
| Seizure (67.33.103.145) -- Friday, October 18 2002, 11:39 am I'm posting it here because I know you will check back (since you requested my reply). Hope it's what you wanted. -------------------------------------------- To Forgive Think about how long, that you hold a grudge How may of them, did you just misjudge? What happened long ago, could have been mistakes It reflects on you, with how long it takes Was it really that bad? Are they now sincere? Were they always with you, when you'd shed a tear? Could it happen again? Could they now have changed? This is quite the choice, that life has arranged You know that you miss them, you both had great times Sometimes you mess up, it happens sometimes Do you want forgiveness, when you are the wrong? You used to have fun, you used to get along Just give them the chance, that you never had From your old best friends, to your hurtful dad This might be the friendship, that could last forever They might be the best friend, that you find, ever How will you know when, you should just forgive? There is nothing like, friendships to relive It hurts me so much, to see friends like this Why choose to be lonely? When you could choose bliss? Some of us cannot, make that choice today We never had the chance, friends just wouldn't stay For all my past friends, and my only dad Forgiveness is the choice, that I never had -------------------------------------------- I'll probably submit it to Dreamer if you think it's good. But since it wouldn't have been written had you not requested it, I figured I'd give you the first read of it. Peace. |
| Seizure (67.33.103.145) -- Friday, October 18 2002, 11:43 am Sorry Leah, the damn comment box formatted that poem really poorly. I hope you can still get what you need out of it though :) |
| smiley (152.163.188.166) -- Monday, October 21 2002, 11:31 pm God he's like me!--hear his heart and how it bleeds with patient's to find you--take away my blessings and send angels to comfort him--Please |
| smiley (152.163.188.166) -- Monday, October 21 2002, 11:42 pm well i am tired and will walk with all your words as i can--lot's to do and i run like a rabbit from pain--please-- re focus--maybe write me your dream in a poem |
| J. (209.214.53.3) -- Tuesday, October 22 2002, 02:26 am I'm a sad panda. I got here too late to preach:). Anyways, if anyone reads this after i post, know this, I believe in a one true god, maybe not much else, but I KNOW that one exists the same way you know that fat ass won't fly off into space and explode or something, and I'm also one of seizure's friends and bandmates. So before you go trying to tell the man that he's going to hell (which he is and im driving him there:)) that his life isn't devoid of any faith whatsoever, he knows the shit back and front and doesn't see any need for it in his life, whether he's depressed or not he hasn't blown that big-ass family sized head off yet, and I think that's stronger than any Christian will ever be. Respect that. Word. |
| Seizure (68.155.218.237) -- Wednesday, October 23 2002, 09:44 pm And J finally says something good here. He also has a point (for a change). j/k. |
| Seizure (68.155.218.237) -- Wednesday, October 23 2002, 09:46 pm I'm not trusting you that I'm going to Hell, but you can believe what you wish :). As for Leah being my friend, I don't even know her. Why did I write her that poem then? Because I have respect for her, just as she shows for me. She asked me to write it, so I did. |
| LinzAy (209.240.198.62) -- Wednesday, October 23 2002, 10:48 pm U and J are funny together...i'd probably be hilarious to hang out with u two!..Whats ur bands name? and where ya from?.....JW...no need to answer if ya dont want....im just a nosey person! Hehehe |
| LinzAy (209.240.198.62) -- Wednesday, October 23 2002, 10:49 pm Hehe...typo! "it would probably be........."^^ |
| Tiffany (68.10.181.250) -- Thursday, October 24 2002, 12:09 am I'm probably way to late now or whatever anyways seizure or josh whatever you want me to call you, What the hell let me just call you josh for now sorry anywayz like i was saying there is nothing wrong with being an atheist or however you spell it. to me it doesn't really matter i don't judge people on their religion. in fact i hang with alot of antheist and goths thats just me. they respect me cuz i respect them. just other day someone got me so pissed off because they were like saying some crap about how atheist and goths are weird i swear to god i almost beat the crap out of them. thats one thing i can't stand is when someone doesn't respect someone because they are something that the other person doesn't like. another i love your poems and theres nothing wrong with being negitave because some of my poems are negitave too. Anywayz your probably wondering who the hell im i,im actually new to this site. anyways if you want you can check out some of my poems. O im sorry for any misspelled words im typing to fast. ~tiffany |
| TIffany (68.10.181.250) -- Thursday, October 24 2002, 12:11 am hey its me agian i also wanted to say i love your poem and the one you wrote to leah. you have to submit that one. keep writing ~Tiffany |
| J. (209.214.52.22) -- Thursday, October 24 2002, 04:56 am i didn't offend anyone with me being stupid this time! yay! |
| Seizure (68.155.218.237) -- Thursday, October 24 2002, 07:04 am J let everyone know my name earlier, so it's free game for everyone now (but I will just point out his name is Jake and he live at this address, and this phone # :)). Anyway, thanks for the comments, they were appreciated. We're in Digital 13. Dreamer has a song we did with her in the music download section if you want to hear it. It's one of the "softer" songs. Go to www.mp3.com/digital_13/ to listen to a couple others. |
| Tiffany (68.10.181.250) -- Thursday, October 24 2002, 08:09 pm I didn't think you got that message since i was like to late. And J. or jake i wasn't offending anyone who left him a comment i was just saying that i hate people who judge other people thats all. SO i wasn't nameing any particular person on this page. Okay cool! oh i'll deffinitly check it out Seizure. |
| J. (209.214.52.153) -- Friday, October 25 2002, 06:23 am it's all good... I wasn't even talking to no one when i posted that... i was just tired of everyone giving Josh the hell speech...it happens so damn much I get sick of it:)... |
| TIffany (216.54.14.84) -- Friday, October 25 2002, 03:00 pm Oh okay i just dont want to piss anyone off! here cuz im to this site. |
| Luc (65.43.115.59) -- Tuesday, November 5 2002, 03:19 am hmm i doubt you ever read this comment but just in case you do just wanted to say that im actually surprise people have been comeeting on this poem, or judgeing each other since july all the way to now. encore. thats some acheivement. and i just so love it when religion agrument comes up to bad i wasnt here to start yelling at everyone, though in a way thats a good thin no. so uh yeah . |
| Seizure (68.155.201.220) -- Wednesday, November 6 2002, 12:50 am Actually, it's been since June 9th, according to the page title :). Well, you were the first of the few to support this poem, and it's something that won't be forgotten. |
| S. (69.179.163.47) -- Saturday, February 25 2006, 03:02 am i love your poem and i love the way you got everyone fighting im sure it wasn't your intention but just look at the debate going down this page its amazing, all the different points of views that we get to hear from |
| SOS (205.242.76.100) -- Monday, July 10 2006, 11:03 pm I cannot see the wind but i feel when it moves, i cannot change your heart but i feel your pain, i am curious do you refuse the truth because it hurts or is it because gods word has been tainted through the years? if you want truth, power, peace and/or understanding dont follow anything you know to be tainted! Pray let god light your path way its the only way you will be able to see the light through the darkness |
| Barbie (67.42.218.183) -- Monday, July 31 2006, 04:25 am I just want to say that you have written the best poem I have ever read, and it describes my thoughts exactly. Way to go. |
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